tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926230.post5705490358231450401..comments2024-03-05T08:06:41.189-05:00Comments on On The Contrary: The End of "Eat Fish Out" Orthodoxy?ADDeRabbihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11749876612695930184noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926230.post-46550914323187703102013-02-26T21:06:22.223-05:002013-02-26T21:06:22.223-05:00Stumbled on this post while trying to find out wet...Stumbled on this post while trying to find out wether obscure species of fish being substituted are kosher... and now there are statistics :) Thought you might be interested in this:<br />http://www.care2.com/causes/restaurants-could-be-serving-fish-that-will-give-you-explosive-diarrhea.htmlerinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12431016948795689098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926230.post-34367007123178501972011-10-27T23:16:20.778-04:002011-10-27T23:16:20.778-04:00"She was more machmir - order a plain fish, n..."She was more machmir - order a plain fish, no sauce, have it double wrapped in aluminum foil and baked. "<br /><br />I can't see why that would not be completely kosher l'chatchila as long as the fish were an obviously identifiable kosher species, like salmon or tuna, that are eaten raw (as in sushi).Charlie Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17667135360784254574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926230.post-89799904087596981312011-10-27T07:42:04.643-04:002011-10-27T07:42:04.643-04:00GoyisheRebbe - there's no problem of bishul ak...GoyisheRebbe - there's no problem of bishul akum for any species that can be eaten raw, e.g., as sushi.ADDeRabbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749876612695930184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926230.post-46039091725765697402011-10-26T18:31:45.366-04:002011-10-26T18:31:45.366-04:00Nobody mentioned the issue of bishul akum, food co...Nobody mentioned the issue of bishul akum, food cooked by a non-Jew. That in addition to the cooking vessels being non-kosher, and who knows what else touched it. Eat fish out orthodoxy is a position not merely of ignorance, it is a position of willfully not wanting to find out that there is a problem. The Am Ha-Aretz Militant.goyisherebbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380171052449799815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926230.post-88606790589428998552011-10-26T10:47:38.601-04:002011-10-26T10:47:38.601-04:00(Reposted from Facebook)
Blu Greenburg was one pro...(Reposted from Facebook)<br />Blu Greenburg was one proponent of eating fish out, but she took it to a level most people I know didn't. She was more machmir - order a plain fish, no sauce, have it double wrapped in aluminum foil and baked. Most people I know who ate fish out just ordered fish off the menu and questions of taste transfer etc. never entered their minds.Larry Lennhoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06578073969473815180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926230.post-90546455150030806382011-10-25T15:02:33.000-04:002011-10-25T15:02:33.000-04:00Ben E. - good question. It was more of a gut sense...Ben E. - good question. It was more of a gut sense/ collective intuition than a reasoned argument. The basic sense is that there's too much room for error. "Basar she-nit'alem min ha-ayin". RMF's permit was based on the fact of government regulation. <br /><br />I think the concern arises mainly in restaurant settings, where there's mixing and mislabeling going on. You're asking whether the packaged stuff at Wal-Mart needs a hashgacha. Good question. I don't know.ADDeRabbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749876612695930184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926230.post-76480245653124783002011-10-25T14:13:40.952-04:002011-10-25T14:13:40.952-04:00Shhhh...
you may be making yet another previously...Shhhh...<br /><br />you may be making yet another previously kosher food go the way of the broccoliBenjamin of Tudelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00443453533108185137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926230.post-65386602802741056442011-10-25T12:28:39.369-04:002011-10-25T12:28:39.369-04:00Was your argument based on an *actual belief* in t...Was your argument based on an *actual belief* in the conventional wisdom that there is mixing and mislabeling, or simply because that is the argument one uses ("you can't be sure they didn't substitute another fish") to shut down eating fish out because of other concerns, like concerns about equipment, other ingredients, or some other concern?<br /><br />In other words: Should the sting operation have demonstrated that in fact restaurants are accurate in 99% of cases, would you (A) still hold the same position, and if so, would you (B) still use the same argument?<br /><br />(One might say given their example here: Given that mahi mahi and swordfish were found to always be accurate, do you feel differently about those [swordfish obviously only if you think it's kosher to begin with]? You could certainly say given the problems with all other fish, you'd better just not trust any and not make distinctions, but in theory, at least.)<br /><br />I think it's interesting because, for example, when it came to milk, R. Moshe Feinstein basically decided that the rationale for chalav yisrael was based on an actual concern for substitution and that it was not simply the rhetoric we use - and given no concern, one may drink the milk.Benjamin E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11114135849308521175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926230.post-18318996633142897982011-10-25T08:05:36.777-04:002011-10-25T08:05:36.777-04:00Yeah, I remember this philosophy from when I was g...Yeah, I remember this philosophy from when I was growing up. Cousins of mine assured me they were strictly kosher. When I asked why I'd seen them in McDonalds they assured me they only ordered the fish burger.Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.com